Hairway 2 Heaven
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Speaker 2: Welcome to this week's episode of the Working Moms of San Antonio podcast. We have a guest and friend, Jenny Wayne from Harway to Heaven, 26. Yes, Jenny. Yeah. And we're so excited to have her on today, and I'm just gonna turn it over to her to have her introduce herself a little bit more and we can talk a little bit about her work.
Speaker 3: Nice. Hi guys. I'm Jenny Wayne. I am originally from Germany, and um, we couldn't tell here about 10 years ago with my husband due to military and decided to start back up my business, my dream. And Yeah, it's, it's, it's flourishing. It's good.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Yes. I'm
Speaker 3: excited.
Speaker 2: That's so cool. So you did, uh, [00:02:00] hair in Germany as well?
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. I did. Yes. Oh, wow. Yes. Um, it's my passion. I started like th 33 years ago. Long time not to give away my age. No, that's
Speaker 2: all right. You
Speaker 3: know what you doing? It's been a long time ago. Yeah. And I still love it. Yeah. So I'm, yeah. Focusing with the business on, um, teaching and giving my passion to the new generation.
Yeah, that's kind of like my focus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had no idea that you also did hair in Germany. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker: know that
Speaker 3: either.
Speaker 2: Did Are there like diff now? I'm so curious. I have so many questions. Are there like differences? I know that like for our foods and things, things are obviously radically different here and also in Europe and so like in terms of like haircare and like products and that kind of thing.
Do you see a lot of differences in like European style things?
Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
Speaker 2: I
Speaker: guess what
Speaker 2: can be in products, you mean? Yeah, yeah. Maybe that or, or
Speaker 3: it's not so much product, it's more the hair itself. It's
Speaker 2: really,
Speaker 3: yeah, product wise it's the same-ish.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Just different company names [00:03:00] I would say. But from the texture of the hair, European hair versus ethnic hair is totally different.
Yeah. In Germany we don't see ethnic hair that often.
Speaker 2: Oh really?
Speaker 3: It's like 1%.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's not a lot. So that was definitely different. When I came over here, I touched my first, first ethnic hair. States.
Speaker 2: Oh,
Speaker: I didn't
Speaker 3: know that. It was super exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Different.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: How interesting. Um, and then do you wanna share a little bit about your salon now?
I was just there recently. Jenny just did my hair. Love it. It is beautiful in there. Super cute.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 2: And I love the
Speaker: location.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker: It's a great location.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes. We are located in Old Town. Hello. This. Right outside 1604. It is unique. Like a old town feeling, almost like European vibe.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I, that's why I picked it. I love the area. It's super cute. And, um, I try to be with the business more family oriented, like family feeling when you walk in.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Not [00:04:00] like. You are number and you go in and you're out. It's a welcoming place. That's what I focus on. Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It really is. It is. Yeah.
My favorite part, I have to say is your shampoo room. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Give it away.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But,
Speaker 2: but I love it.
Speaker 3: That's. What we hear a lot. Yes. Yeah. The shampoo room.
Speaker 2: It's very nice.
Speaker 3: Um,
Speaker: so Jenna, you mentioned that you are now passing down your knowledge. Yes. You know, so tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: So, when I decided to make the Color Studio, it's kind of me going into a niche where I think there is a lot of education missing.
So we are not a regular hair salon where everything fits everybody. We are specializing in color and haircuts mainly color.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: Um, with that being said, I take people fresh out of school or people who just wanna go back into the [00:05:00] industry and learn more. I mentor them. I offer associates program for people, um, to run through, just to get more passion about the industry.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Which, yeah, there's a, a little bit of a gap with school. Getting your license and being successful. Understood. That's what I wanna say. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker: that makes sense. So what are some misconceptions? You said like, you know, with the color, like there's some stuff going on. I mean, what?
Speaker 3: What do you
Speaker: mean in,
Speaker 3: I feel like having my education from Europe and from the states, I went to both.
Um, the education as an example in Europe is three years before you actually have your license. In the states, every state is a little bit different, but it's mainly around a thousand hours. Oh, and it's a lot of book work days. Not a lot of
Speaker: hands
Speaker 3: on, hands on, and especially not on real people. It's usually mannequins.
Oh, the hair is so [00:06:00] different. It's just the school, in my opinion. Preps the people to pass state board.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: And that's good. But then they go into the real world and then for a brick wall, I'm like, I learned all of this, but now how do I translate it to real people? And that's where I, where, where I wanna be the gap.
Speaker: I wanna say that's probably a gap in most education in the states. There's a lot of gap where you're learning. You are learning for the test.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker: Versus learning for, I mean, real life, real estate, is
Speaker 2: that,
Speaker: yeah. Every, even
Speaker 2: Ashley was saying that, I was thinking that was my exact experience as well. Yeah.
Speaker: We missed the hands-on process that, you know, the, the main thing that you know, that, that you do.
I mean, you can answer all the questions out of book, but it's not working on someone's hair.
Speaker 3: No, it's not. And our industry, I feel like it's, it's even more so important because we work on people.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: It's a human living body.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What we work on, if you. Go to any other place and you screw up, you just start [00:07:00] over.
You cannot do that when you have a real human in your jail.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's, it's much more, it needs to be more depth. That's my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm trying to offer. And a lot of times when they come out, they try it for a year or two years, and then I'm like, this is way too hard. I don't want to do this anymore.
And I lose the passion. And that's where I wanna be. I wanna be that person who gives life balance for my workers. And the passion for the industry, and then they're gonna stay and succeed and the clients is happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Like
Speaker 3: all of this, that's what I'm focused
Speaker: on. Well, I mean, I, I mean, I look at our, our beauty industry.
It's a, it's a tough. Market to stay in.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, there's so many people out there and, and then they, all the Instagrams and the social media show, oh, you can do this at home. Let me cut my hair and cut my bangs. You've seen those, those beam with people. It looks easy. Yeah. They think it's easy. Oh, you just twist your hair in a ponytail and cut and,
Speaker 3: yeah.
Speaker: Or lemme just put on this box color and it'll be great.
Speaker 3: It's easy. Yeah. A lot of times I watch those videos too and I think, oh, what other [00:08:00] industry do people go online and show how you do the work? It's not a lot. It's, it's dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. And that's where I wanna come in for the stylist and for my clients.
Information, education, all of that. I want them to go out and feel confident, like everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Erica, have you ever had a bad hair color? Yeah,
Speaker 2: of
Speaker: course.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker: Isn't it the worst?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Well, I, I, I did, I I really, I was in college. Yeah. And I wanted to color my hair, and I thought I had black hair in my head.
I, my hair was dark and I was like, oh, I just wanna go a little darker, you know? And oh my God, I was white. Yeah. I said I was so fair. I, I, I looked like a ghost. And then I went, I, I needed someone to fix it. Like, um, we're gonna have to let this grow out hard. I didn't realize. Put it on a box. Color would damage not only damage my hair, but it took forever for it to grow.
'cause I couldn't lift it. And if it lifted, it was orange and it was horrific. Yes.
Speaker 3: That, that is already where the miscommunication comes [00:09:00] in. Box color itself is not bad. You know, people say, or most stylist has say box color is the worst box, color is box color and, and obviously professional one is better.
But um. It's the ingredients, what's in there, what makes it bad. Oh, okay. Mm-hmm. And that's why it's so difficult.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker 3: If I have someone who has a pixie and it's gone in like six weeks, by all means use a box color.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Yeah. But if you have goals. I wouldn't recommend.
Speaker: Yeah. My, my hair was down to my mid back.
Yeah. That wasn't funny. Was, and I looked, I looked so pale in my head when I'm like, oh, I'm just adding, like, I was just making a deeper color and I, it was a, and it was like black
Speaker 2: Patricia,
Speaker: I, I looked horrible. I was like, oh my, and it was, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker: It took a long time.
Speaker 3: It was super expensive and it takes long time and patience.
Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. No, black,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that you get this kind of thing, but like. Do you ever get someone that comes into your, your place and they show you a picture where they showing Yes. They show you a picture and they're [00:10:00] like this and it's not feasible in like one sit down?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. You know, when I was, when I was younger and I wanted certain things with my hair, I'd be like, Hey, you know, I want this.
And maybe like, we can do that, but it's gonna take three times.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I would be like, oh, I had no idea.
Speaker 3: If you have an honest. Person who takes the integrity of your hair healthy and takes the job seriously.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They will tell you. It takes sessions. They will tell you. You can do that or you cannot do that.
Yeah. Deny it. If you, if it's not reasonable, and I thought you're actually going to the point, what we are struggling right now with is this stupid ai. Oh. People come in and they show pictures. It's not realistic. And then
Speaker 2: I never even thought of that.
Speaker 3: It's not, it's
Speaker 2: AI hair.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Huh. Good.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Like is it them with different.
Look,
Speaker 3: you can do whatever you want. Yeah. Sometimes they show highlights and low lights together with the picture and the first thing I look at, I'm like, oh my, this is [00:11:00] ai. I can't do that. Yeah. I can get get you close to this, but the canvas is different. This is fake. Yeah. This we need to talk about what is realistic.
Speaker 2: That never even crossed my mind.
Speaker: No, I didn't think AI would play a, a part in hair, but
Speaker 3: yes.
Speaker: Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 3: It does, and a lot of stuff is social media right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So people will put these things on their social media, like, this is my work.
Speaker 3: Some,
Speaker 2: yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Ooh, sneaky.
Speaker: Well, you know, I, I, I'm fascinated by the, um, people, because Gray is a, a, a big topic.
Like try, you know, and I, I'm going gray, so I, I look at stuff and I know it's not realistic. I see people and like people pay, it looks like it happened like within a few minutes. Right? 'cause you're watching the social media and they're like, do this. And like all of a sudden their hair is gorgeous. They didn't tell you that.
It took them a year or two to get to that point. Yeah. They're showing the before and the after. But it's a process and it's a lot of work.
Speaker 3: Yes. Some do that. Mm-hmm. And that there is, [00:12:00] that's a big trend right now. People wanna be gray and it's one of the hardest colors to do. Yeah. 'cause it's almost no color.
White is no color. Um, yeah, but I follow a guy, he's super famous and I adore him. He does those transformations. Mm-hmm. And what people see is the before and the after, but that there is 10 hours in between. They have usually a team from three to four people who are working on that person.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it takes a lot of time and a lot of money.
Usually people in, especially now in the economy, they don't want to invest that much.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's easier just to be patient and let it grow out. Yes. Do it. Do it like softly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And there is, there is ways to do that. You just need to educate.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's people trying to like blend their natural gray in.
Yeah.
Speaker: Well, like I used to love, I loved red. Oh my God. I love being red. I love red hair. My sister has red hair. I wanted red hair. I thought I would have right now. Red hair was so hard and I loved it for so long. And then [00:13:00] as I started to get older, my grades and I would have to be touching it up every three weeks, and it got extremely expensive.
I couldn't keep up with it. Even with the shampoos that deposit some hair color didn't help. So I was trying to find a way to do the both and I didn't realize when I started to go gray like how to. Blended in better. So it, I didn't have that, what is it called, Jenny, when you have the mar, like the, the line, the
Speaker 3: demarcation
Speaker: line.
Yes. Like it was like a, a like white and then red. Like it just didn't look good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, and I always felt unkept, so I wanted to find a way to blend in the gray to make it, because I like, I do like my gray hair. Mm-hmm. It's just how do I make it look. Nice and professional. 'cause sometimes it doesn't come across like you just didn't do your hair today.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've never looked at gray hair and thought that,
Speaker: well, people like start growing. Like when you have it here and just in the front, it was just, yeah. So I had to let my, my red go and I'm trying to figure out a way to make it blend. So I actually went to Jenny. I was like, Hey, I wanna actually like, not yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Not yet. We're gonna wait.
Speaker 2: She told me. And so you're waiting until you have more gray hair.
Speaker: She wanted my hair to grow out some more. Right. Oh, I see. We were wanting the frontier. I [00:14:00] had, um, some, a lot of breakage in my hair. My hair's naturally curly. Um, and I couldn't figure out why it was breaking. Um, it's finally stopped.
Oh, good. In the front. So it's growing, but it's not Yeah. I'm not ready yet. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It takes, it takes time. In order to match the gray, you actually have to have the canvas to see. What are you matching? If it's only like this much,
Speaker 2: how can you
Speaker 3: tell? Yeah, I cannot tell. So I have to tell people, you need to wait until you have at least like 2, 3, 4 inches.
The longer the better.
Yeah.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: And then the longer the better. It's also cheaper for the client. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. If they can out. So she told me,
Speaker: wait. I had thought when I, I had actually let all my gray, or all my gray, all my color grow out, uh, during COVID, it actually grew out and I, I felt like I was kind of washed out.
Mm-hmm. And so I, I. Want a free something And I went to have someone and they put in low lights and it was not what I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: It was not. Yeah. So I have to, now I have to wait again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: So we're waiting.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker: Ladies,
Speaker 3: make me
Speaker: wait.
Speaker 3: That's another thing where I firmly tell my [00:15:00] clients if, uh, my stylist, if you deny service and it is justified, um, I stand behind them all day long.
Sure. Because we are focusing on healthy hair. With the right goal.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's hard. I mean, 'cause you're, I mean, not, not, not you're turning business away. I mean, but it made me like, you know what? She'll call me and she'll let me know when I'm ready.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: So it's, I I like someone rather say, Hey, this is better for you.
This is better for your hair, and you'll have the outcome that you want. Versus, she's very aware of my budget and thinking of my pocketbook in the, in the long term, like, Hey, if this is something you want, we need to wait a little bit longer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Yes. So I, I, I, as a client definitely appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
And we, I have it quite often. I actually had it this. Last week we, I had a client, I took blonde last year or the beginning of the year, I can't remember. And I gave her kind of a plan for her goal. Yeah. But some people are not patient and, or some people are on a budget and they are feeling [00:16:00] embarrassed.
They don't want talk. She went somewhere else and it didn't turn out the way she wanted. Mm-hmm. So she came back and. There was not much we can do other than just making, making it darker again, to get all of those demarcations taken care of.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the day later I got a message, it's too dark.
Speaker 2: Oh,
Speaker 3: which was the consultation, and you need to be open now.
I gave her new plan, which when can I have my blonde bag? You can have your blonde bag in sec, six, seven months, but you need to follow this, this, this, this, and no other color. She agreed. So it's It's a plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah. How funny.
Speaker 3: If you trust the process Yeah. And you trust the person you are giving you a head to.
Yeah. Then it's a good thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Mm-hmm. I mean, I just think it, people are funny about, people are funny about their money. People are funny about their hair.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hair hair's
Speaker: important.
Speaker 2: It's when I went to go see Jenny, and [00:17:00] I'm not funny about my hair. I, I, I do my hair once a year. Yeah. Which is, Jenny did a bash for me, which is what I usually do.
It looks like it's already grown out and it's gonna continue to grow out and that same way. Um, and it's very low maintenance. But when I went to go see her, she was like, well, how much are we cutting? And I was like, whatever you want. And she was, she was like, she was like three, four inches. I was like, whatever's, whatever's kind of shitty on the bottom, cut it off.
Like I don't care, you know? And she was like, oh, you're not real particular about your hair. But I know if people are very particular. And so someone like that was obviously so particular that they were like, I can't wait. I have to do this now. And then they unfortunately kind of set themselves back a little bit.
Yeah.
Speaker 3: Happens quite often.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, I know I've, I went to one I, this is 20 plus years ago. I remember I went somewhere my mom recommended. I had come in from school, drove in, and I needed a haircut and I just went to whomever she had gone to. And my hair is very different from my siblings and. My, my, my mom, my hair's very curly.
So I went and it was, um, they, they wanted to, they thinned it. They, they wanted, they took a
Speaker 3: [00:18:00] razor.
Speaker: Razor to it. A razor, yeah. And in, when she fixed it, it looked nice. And then I went to, I'm like, my hair's gone. I had no hair. Like it was so razor and it wouldn't curl it. Like, I don't know what they did, but.
Yeah, I was, I wasn impatient. I don't want, it's
Speaker 3: not, yeah, it's not for every
Speaker: texture. It's not for every texture of hair. And if you don't have someone who knows your hair, they, I, I just, for me, when it comes to hair, it's a big part of my, my, the way I look. Yeah. So I building that relationship confidence.
Yes. Right. Yeah. Building that relationship with, with, with your, um, hairstylist, you know, to help you.
Speaker 2: I've heard people even describe it as almost like a security blanket.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker 2: The hair.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker: You can't retire ever. Like can't. It's scary when on you're
Speaker 3: planning on it. Yeah. I just need you stay healthy.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Well, I really like what you're doing with all of the education and all of that. Yes. I think it's so important to be that sort of like middle person. If it doesn't exist in your industry. Sometimes we have to make things ourselves. You know what I mean? That's
Speaker 3: what I thought when I decided to go. [00:19:00] Just into the color and the, the haircuts.
It's like. First off, I don't like perms. I don't like bridals, all that stuff. I don't. I just don't like doing it. And I personally believe you cannot be good in 50 different things.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when I go somewhere and I see a menu where there's like 60 different meals, I'm like, how the hell can you be good?
I also think that
Speaker 2: yes, yes. You see
Speaker 3: like
Speaker 2: 50 page menus and I'm like, oh, this is gonna be rough.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Lemme get a hamburger that can't screw that up.
Speaker 3: Exactly. That's how I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's why I is. Said, okay, this is my passion and this is where we put it in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, I have to say hair
Speaker 3: color is very
Speaker: popular.
I mean, the colors that are out that are available now that weren't, you know, they're, I, I love all the rainbow, like it's beautiful. I love all the different colors.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Same.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: So what does it look like when these gals come to you? They're fresh outta school.
Speaker 3: Some of them are fresh out of school.
Yeah. I usually follow, I follow different schools and follow some of the journeys from the people. [00:20:00] I sometimes go in Cogni door to the schools.
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker 3: they have where you can go and get a blowout or whatever, and you see people, if their hardest is in it, you can follow that and, and then you wait. If they apply, if they're not apply and then yeah, it's just happens.
Speaker 2: You just share your information and say like, Hey, I have this kind of program available. Yeah. How cool.
Speaker: Well, I mean, like you see in our industry, you, you get thrown into the wolves and either you make it or you don't. Right? Yeah, yeah. But having someone to mentor you and to help you and least, least give you the opportunity to get started.
'cause I'm assuming it's like ours. If you don't have a clientele, you don't, you don't have a book of business. You have to create it.
Speaker 3: And this, this is translating also, um, in my team. We work as I run a commission salon. So everybody, when I first talked to owners, they were like, I would never do this. This is way harder.
And I get it. It's way harder than doing a double, uh, doing a renter station and stuff. 'cause they work under me. [00:21:00] And here in the United States is commission. Um, what, what do you say that in English? Competition. Oh, it's a competition field.
Speaker 2: Uhhuh.
Speaker 3: In Germany, we don't have that. You get your salary and you do the best you can every day in a team.
And that's what I'm doing in my team is that yes, you have your clients, but we work as a team.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: There is no competition. If I do your blowout from your clients, that's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's okay. And that was allows me now out to stay at home because my people. Take over.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: And the client still feels comfortable.
There is no competition.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's how, how you can learn
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Yes. With each other. And having that support.
Speaker 3: And I think that's where the, the big mistakes come in. People are saying, Hey, I get this client if I offer $15 cheaper, um, and the people switch, and then, then the mistakes happen.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
That makes sense.
Speaker: Well, kinda like ours. Yeah. Our, our industry [00:22:00] does that. I mean, people compete with each other and when. There's enough there. We, we always say there's for everybody, there's, there's enough for everybody. Yeah. There is. We share our knowledge, we share what we know and, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker: And it helps, it helps everyone.
So,
Speaker 3: and this, that is the education. What I try to tell, even o other salon owners, I said, let it go. There's enough people for everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If I ask you question seriously, I, I want your feedback, but everybody's so protective. Don't steal, don't steal my clients and
Speaker 2: don't,
Speaker 3: like they don't
Speaker 2: share the information even.
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's what, yeah. I liked when you said outside, uh, how many mistakes I did when I started. I did so many because I didn't know the field. Yeah. In the United States. I needed this license and this license and that, and nobody was coming forward saying, Hey, you need this, this, this, this is how I went through, and
Speaker 2: yeah,
Speaker 3: just doing it and then share as much as you can.
If you go to my salon and you ask one of my stylists. What it would cost to open your own salon. [00:23:00] And that's what I want for them. If they wanna go, go, they have the numbers. I'm very open and know what it costs. I don't think there is a lot of people out there doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm sure not. There's a lot of gatekeeping and I mean, that's one of the reasons why I love what we do here at Working Moms is because.
I'll share any bit. I mean, if I can help somebody, another realtor, and I've done it. I've sat here at this table and had meetings with other realtors and other lenders that we've talked to and different things like that. If I can help you go from here to here and not do all the wacky junk that I had to do to get there, please like, let me help somebody.
Yes. Because I mean that we're here to help each other. Well,
Speaker: because I think a lot of times in any industry, if you have someone doing something wrong. Everybody gets labeled with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker: right. Well, that's
Speaker 2: another thing. We were just talking about that.
Speaker: Yeah. So there, I mean, so like today we had a, a, a new, uh, real estate agent that came in with another lender and I'm like, please stay.
Please stay. There's enough business to go around. We can share information. There might be a product you have that I don't have, I can share someone with you. Like definitely you never know how [00:24:00] you may able to
Speaker 2: impact somebody,
Speaker: but learning from somebody who's been in the business, I, I've been in my industry almost 25 years.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker: So I'm, I share what I know. So you don't have to make, like you said, make the same mistakes,
Speaker 3: mistakes or pay a huge amount of money for something What?
Speaker: And believe me, shouldn't be possible having a hair. Mistake's not fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker: because you gotta live with that shit. She's
Speaker 3: just traumatized.
Speaker: She's traumatized.
She's, oh my God. But it, you know, but I mean, seriously, I mean like, you're trying to maybe have a job interview or whatever the next time and your hair's like a mess. It's, and right now I realize hair's really, I thought it was only female. Oh no. I have teenage boys.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker: Hair is so important to them.
That's so interesting to me. It is a fight. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: We just added that. We have a whole new section like for boys, for boys, for men, for all of that. Yeah. The market is there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must have changed like from years past, I guess. Mm-hmm. Where boys just all got the same haircut and went to school and did
Speaker: whatever.
Well, they have those too, but still they all look like the alpacas walking around. But, but it, they're, they, they're [00:25:00] really into hair, taking care of the hair, even their skin, that kind of stuff. So it's hair is a. Big deal to people.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker: Just like your I, when you smile, they see your teeth. Your teeth are important.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Hair is important to you. I wish
Speaker 2: my parents had felt that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I always, no
Speaker 2: braces here.
Speaker 3: Always ask people. I said, how many times do you do a mask? And they look at me. I'm like, what should I do that? I'm like, yeah. Do you put, I don't
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 3: What you say? Do you put like face cream on? Yeah. Like face cream.
Yeah. And you brush your teeth? Of
Speaker: course.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Because it's your skin. It's your body. Uhhuh hair's. The extension of your body. Yeah. It's skin. It's skin. Yeah.
Speaker: So we need to put a
Speaker 3: mask. Yeah. Extend mask. Yeah. Nutrition for your hair. That's how I tell people if you take care of your lashes, same. Yeah. That's hair.
Yeah. It's the same. How
Speaker 2: interesting. It's. I know.
Speaker: Well, and like social media doesn't make it easier, right? You just said everybody shares their information. It could be wrong information. Correct. It could be incorrect. Like I wanted my son to say, no, mom, you need to put ex, like, I don't [00:26:00] wash my hair every day 'cause it said blah, blah.
I'm like. You are sweaty. You are stinky. It smells wash it. You need to wash it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wash it. In that case, do wash it. Yeah.
Speaker: Wash your hair son. And not just condition. Wash it. Yes. Well, Instagram said, I don't care what Instagram said. Your mom says wash your hair.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: So
Speaker 2: how funny. Um. And so these gals that are with you, do they stay, like, is everybody's learning curve a little bit different or, oh yeah.
Is it all like a certain regimented, like amount of time with you that they do this program or it's all different for everybody?
Speaker 3: Um, it's, it's different for everybody 'cause everybody learns different.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: But overall, I would say it's. Seven to eight months. It can be nine months, but none of my girls ever had the whole nine months.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Some, some get it like three months, four months, five months in. Okay. And they're good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Everybody learns different.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And, and then what about like new trends and like new, uh, new products and new ways that, that you guys do stuff, which I'm sure that happens all the time. [00:27:00] Mm-hmm. How do you keep up with all of that stuff?
Speaker 3: Education.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We go to trade shows. We go to, um. Color classes. Yeah. We go to hair shows. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Education. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you go out there and like learn things. Yeah. And then you can bring it back to the salon.
Speaker 3: We do that and then next year we have even, um, artists come in and they train in the salon. We have, um, monthly classes at the salon.
What we do when we think, okay, we need a color refresher in this, or we need a haircut in that, um, we do it in house. We go to places too, and next year I'm starting to bring artists in.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that. How cool. So you're really trying to keep up with, I mean, I guess you have to, right?
Speaker: You have to. In order to stay relevant, I would assume.
'cause the trends, hair trends change.
Speaker 3: The easiest way for people to keep up with trends is watch tv.
Speaker: Yeah,
Speaker 3: watch tv. Look at the movies. Usually from Europe, from France. Mostly international friends is big. [00:28:00] If you watch that, you usually know what's coming.
Speaker 2: Really? That's so interesting. I had the same haircut for like the last 20 years.
Speaker: That side part guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just
Speaker 3: you
Speaker 2: need to to change. It doesn't, I know. I don't know. I don't know if I could, maybe I, maybe my hair does mean more to me than I think it does.
Speaker: You keep it the way it works.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would,
Speaker: whatever works. My hair change. I know the texture. I have great
Speaker 3: ideas. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, I would come, but I would be that person that would come in and just be like, just
Speaker: do whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Figure it out.
Speaker: Do whatever. I, I think like, I know hair, my hair's changed over years. Mm-hmm. Like, it wasn't as curly. It was different. So obviously hormones play a different part as you, as you age or whatever. Um, so I know like my, the texture of my hair's changed. Yes. So you, it, your style's gonna, my style has to change.
'cause if not my, my hair does, so, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Every seven years, hair island skin is changing.
Speaker: It's changing really?
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Every seven years.
Speaker 3: Every seven years. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker: Not so much with yours?
Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I mean, mine got wavy after I had
Speaker: my kids. You do have waves in your hair. You blow them out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: [00:29:00] So you, you could have curly hair
Speaker 2: join.
That's what Emma tells me. Join the club. My daughter has kind of curlier hair. When my husband's hair gets long it gets curly. Curly. And so, um, her hair is really curly.
Speaker: But you have waves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. And she's always like, mom, let me like put stuff, like, she is like, put this product in and do this. And I'm like, I don't, she's always like, scrunching it up with a t-shirt.
And I'm like, what are you doing? She
Speaker 3: definitely knows this
Speaker 2: stuff. Yeah, she knows some things and I'm like, she's always like, let me try, and I'm like, no, just leave it alone. Lemme just blow dry it like I'm in high school still. How funny. Well, Jenny, is there anything else that you think you wanna touch on here in the episode that you can think of?
Speaker 3: That I can think of. Yeah. Yeah. I am planning my 10 year anniversary. Oh yeah. Oh, that right. I was really excited about that. So
Speaker: tell us about your 10 year anniversary.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes. August 1st is when I'm open. 10 years here in San Antonio and I'm, I can't believe it. It feels like I opened up yesterday. I'm planning a huge, [00:30:00] uh, party on that weekend, so I'm closing the shop and
Speaker: we're gonna
Speaker 3: party.
I'm super excited. Let's go. Yay. We're party partying at the shop. Yes.
Speaker 2: I love that. That's so exciting and good for you. 10 years. That's a big milestone.
Speaker 3: I, I think so too. And it's finally sinking in. Sinking in. Damn. When I look back, I survived COVID. I survived all of that. Yeah. Where other people
Speaker: closed.
Yes, because you guys had, I mean, during that time, I was just thinking about that in your industry. Like it shut down, they shut you guys where. You couldn't business. No. People couldn't do anything.
Speaker 3: Must have been doing something
Speaker: right. Must You're still here. Yeah. You should
Speaker 2: be,
Speaker: you know. Good for you. So many stylists I know went outta business during that time.
True. And it was so sad to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, that, you know, and here you're supporting new style, even people coming back to the industry, maybe, you know, with your school and stuff. Yeah. I
Speaker 3: have a stylist who came back. Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, if you want a freedom in, in, in creativity and. Build your own business. I mean, if you enjoy hair and all the things, hair, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's a great if you, if you have [00:31:00] the right mentor.
Speaker: Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's definitely worth it.
Speaker: Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's definitely worth it. 'cause the old school was. You work 12 hours, seven days a week and then your body shuts down. Mm-hmm. 'cause you're burned out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And none of my people work more than 35 hours a week.
Speaker: You know what, that's something that people don't talk about.
Like, you're on your feet the whole time. You're bending over people, you're yanking and moving. Like, it's hard. It's it, it's physical for you guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It definitely takes a toll on the body. Mm-hmm. So a work-life balance is super, super important. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. How cool
Speaker: to be, yeah. To last. You know?
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker 3: And not get
Speaker: the burnout. And you know, you build, I, I mean, I know I'm thinking of hairstylists that I've had in my past, like friends and like you become family. Yes. Like you really do. You be and you trust
Speaker 3: therapists?
Speaker: Yes,
Speaker 3: we are therapists.
Speaker: Yeah. They're very much therapists. Tell 'em all the things.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's true. You do.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: For your hairstylist, right?
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker 2: And you wonder if they want, if they, I always wonder like. I remember the conversation we had, but like you see so many people, it's like, do you remember me telling you [00:32:00] any of this stuff? And then I think, why would they? But they probably do.
They do. I dunno. Those are just little small things that go on in my brain where I'm like, I remember this. But do they,
Speaker 3: it's, it's funny that you say that, but I have clients that come regular. And I still cannot remember where they party hair every time. I have to ask, but I remember that they have three dogs and two kids.
I don't remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's really, it comes up to the person. Yeah.
Speaker 2: How funny. That's so funny. It's
Speaker: funny. I dunno how you put your hair, but I know you got three dogs. Yes.
Speaker 2: Well, those are the important things, right? The hair part, we can just tell you. Yes.
Speaker: That's funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Jenny, will you share with our audience how they can get ahold of you and, and your studio location and all of that?
Speaker 3: Yes, we are located 14 7 5, 1 Old town, old Bandera Road in he Lotus, Texas. And we are open Tuesdays to Sunday. Um, six days a week. We have social media. We can find us on Facebook and [00:33:00] Instagram and TikTok under her way to heaven, 26. And then I have an education page as well, which is called Join. Two age, two age 26 on Instagram for all the stylists with the education.
Speaker 2: Oh, cool.
Speaker 3: Um, yeah, or with a phone number.
Speaker 2: Okay, perfect. Well, we'll put all of that information in the show notes. Notes, yeah. We put it so people can just click around real easy. And thank you so much for being on. This was so good. Thank
Speaker 3: you for having me. We fun. Excited. Excited to be
Speaker 2: invited to that party, ma'am.
Yes,
Speaker 3: yes. The whole working group. Yes.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that. Cool.
Speaker: Had to get on our calendar.
Speaker 2: Yes. And then just really quickly, I'll say thank you to our listeners for tuning into this week's episode and we will catch you guys next time. See you guys next time.
Speaker 3: Bye guys.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for tuning into this episode of the Working Moms of San Antonio [00:34:00] podcast. We hope you love today's chat and found a little inspiration to take with you into your week. If you have a podcast topic suggestion or a question you'd love for us to cover, definitely send us an email at hello at working moms of san antonio.com.
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